Comments on: Gauthier, Martin Make Habs Good, not Great http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/ Wed, 16 May 2012 17:19:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Stevo http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10916 Stevo Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:51:41 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10916 Boris, I had no idea you were serious, now let me ask you, is this an actual rumor from an actual source, or this a deal that you would like to see happen? Trades of this magnitude simply don't happen, even less so within your own division. I'm sorry but there's really no reason to discuss the potential of this happening any further. Thanks Boris, I had no idea you were serious, now let me ask you, is this an actual rumor from an actual source, or this a deal that you would like to see happen?

Trades of this magnitude simply don’t happen, even less so within your own division. I’m sorry but there’s really no reason to discuss the potential of this happening any further.

Thanks

]]> By: Boris Bagel http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10914 Boris Bagel Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:32:16 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10914 if you're counting cap for this year, you have take to into account extra funds from Markov and Gorges being out on long-term injuries... this allows for the four new salaries from Sens to fit Habs cap with them sending their other four NHL salaries to Ottawa.... as for next year, the Habs have cap room since a number of big contracts, Hamrlik, Gill, Markov (about $14 million off cap with just these three) etc. will be off the books and the Habs won't resign any or all of them ... teams can always adjust roster to fit under the cap, from lending players to Europe (Huet), sending to the AHL (Redden etc.) or buyouts, let alone trades or setting RFAs free by not qualifying them... while the trade may be unlikely for various reason, you arguments against it are not very sound... for instance, the Sens are in a rebuilding mode, they already traded a couple of veterans, Fisher etc., for picks, so getting two young D-men in exchange for two older players makes sense in that matter... the fact the Habs are trading 3 centres (one who plays in the AHL and another who has played mostly wing this year) for one 1st line centre back, isn't a deal breaker, teams trade a forward for defencemen or whatever fits their need, the Habs need a big centre, though Spezza isn't physical, he has the size they need down the middle as for centremen next year, the Habs would just need to resign Halpern (or someone like him at about the league minimum) to have four NHL centres next year, to play behind Spezz, Pleks, and Deharnais they would need to resign one UFA d-men, say the Wiz, and two RFAs, say Gorges & Picard, to complete roster (to compliment Subban, Spacek, Kuba) & give a chance to someone like Nash to be 7th guy etc. BB if you’re counting cap for this year, you have take to into account extra funds from Markov and Gorges being out on long-term injuries… this allows for the four new salaries from Sens to fit Habs cap with them sending their other four NHL salaries to Ottawa….

as for next year, the Habs have cap room since a number of big contracts, Hamrlik, Gill, Markov (about $14 million off cap with just these three) etc. will be off the books and the Habs won’t resign any or all of them …

teams can always adjust roster to fit under the cap, from lending players to Europe (Huet), sending to the AHL (Redden etc.) or buyouts, let alone trades or setting RFAs free by not qualifying them…

while the trade may be unlikely for various reason, you arguments against it are not very sound…

for instance, the Sens are in a rebuilding mode, they already traded a couple of veterans, Fisher etc., for picks, so getting two young D-men in exchange for two older players makes sense in that matter…

the fact the Habs are trading 3 centres (one who plays in the AHL and another who has played mostly wing this year) for one 1st line centre back, isn’t a deal breaker, teams trade a forward for defencemen or whatever fits their need, the Habs need a big centre, though Spezza isn’t physical, he has the size they need down the middle

as for centremen next year, the Habs would just need to resign Halpern (or someone like him at about the league minimum) to have four NHL centres next year, to play behind Spezz, Pleks, and Deharnais

they would need to resign one UFA d-men, say the Wiz, and two RFAs, say Gorges & Picard, to complete roster (to compliment Subban, Spacek, Kuba) & give a chance to someone like Nash to be 7th guy etc.

BB

]]> By: Stevo http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10911 Stevo Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:13:27 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10911 Thanks for the comments Johnny, although i don't think we will see either of the two players you mentioned in Montreal, I do agree that if anything happens, should not expect anything more then low risk/reward. Boris, I've decided to have fun with your reply, let's compare this "trade rumor" Habs: C : $7,357,143 + 3 / Gomez LW : $3,250,000 + 0 / Kostitsyn (RFA) C : $1,270,833 + 1 / Eller (EL) D : $875,000 + 0 / Webber (RFA) C : $850,000 + 0 / Maxwell (RFA) D : $660,000 + 0 / Carle (RFA) 1st round pick. 5th round pick. FOR Sens: C : $7,000,000 + 4 / Jason Spezza RW : $2,000,000 + 2 / Chris Neil D : $3,500,000 + 0 / Chris Phillips (UFA) D : $3,700,000 + 1 / Filip Kuba THEREFORE: Habs would be trading $11,877,976 of NHL salary in return of $16,200,000. Doesn't fit the cap. Habs would be trading 3 Centers and 1 Left Wing, and in return would get 1 Center and 1 Right Wing, doesn't make sense. Habs would trade 2 defensemen with pretty much no NHL experience for 2 established NHL defensemen, doesn't make sense. I don't think it's necessary to keep going, you get the point. Thanks for the comments Johnny, although i don’t think we will see either of the two players you mentioned in Montreal, I do agree that if anything happens, should not expect anything more then low risk/reward.

Boris, I’ve decided to have fun with your reply, let’s compare this “trade rumor”

Habs:
C : $7,357,143 + 3 / Gomez
LW : $3,250,000 + 0 / Kostitsyn (RFA)
C : $1,270,833 + 1 / Eller (EL)
D : $875,000 + 0 / Webber (RFA)
C : $850,000 + 0 / Maxwell (RFA)
D : $660,000 + 0 / Carle (RFA)
1st round pick.
5th round pick.

FOR

Sens:
C : $7,000,000 + 4 / Jason Spezza
RW : $2,000,000 + 2 / Chris Neil
D : $3,500,000 + 0 / Chris Phillips (UFA)
D : $3,700,000 + 1 / Filip Kuba

THEREFORE:

Habs would be trading $11,877,976 of NHL salary in return of $16,200,000. Doesn’t fit the cap.

Habs would be trading 3 Centers and 1 Left Wing, and in return would get 1 Center and 1 Right Wing, doesn’t make sense.

Habs would trade 2 defensemen with pretty much no NHL experience for 2 established NHL defensemen, doesn’t make sense.

I don’t think it’s necessary to keep going, you get the point.

]]> By: habsrule http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10882 habsrule Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:37:08 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10882 i want what you are drinking i want what you are drinking

]]> By: habsrule http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10881 habsrule Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:36:35 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10881 i want what you are smoking i want what you are smoking

]]> By: habsrule http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10880 habsrule Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:35:27 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10880 kovalev and souray are both too much of a cap hit...and both have their best years well behind them...no chance of either wearing habs jerseys again...and thank god for that kovalev and souray are both too much of a cap hit…and both have their best years well behind them…no chance of either wearing habs jerseys again…and thank god for that

]]> By: Boris Bagel http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10851 Boris Bagel Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:14:57 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10851 potential Habs-Sens trade in the works: Scott Gomez, Andrei Kostitsyn, Lars Eller, Yannick Weber, Ben Maxwell, Mathieu Carle and Habs 1st and 5th round pick in 2011 to Ottawa for Jason Spezza, Chris Neil, Chris Phillips & Filip Kuba potential Habs-Sens trade in the works: Scott Gomez, Andrei Kostitsyn, Lars Eller, Yannick Weber, Ben Maxwell, Mathieu Carle and Habs 1st and 5th round pick in 2011 to Ottawa for Jason Spezza, Chris Neil, Chris Phillips & Filip Kuba

]]> By: Johnny Bertolo http://www.allhabs.net/feature/gauthier-martin-make-habs-good-not-great/#comment-10657 Johnny Bertolo Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:17:47 +0000 http://www.allhabs.net/?p=11453#comment-10657 Hey Stevo, Great article, I agree on the trade front, the Habs do not have many options at their disposal, so a mega transaction is clearly out of the picture. Like the Mara deal, Gauthier will only pull the trigger on a trade if it's truly in demand. The only players I see coming to Montreal before the 28th are Kovalev and Souray (maybe Huselius if Gauthier's feeling frisky). That's it, that's all. Low risk, low reward transactions as per usual. -Peace Johnny Bertolo @JohnnyBertolo Hey Stevo,

Great article, I agree on the trade front, the Habs do not have many options at their disposal, so a mega transaction is clearly out of the picture.

Like the Mara deal, Gauthier will only pull the trigger on a trade if it’s truly in demand. The only players I see coming to Montreal before the 28th are Kovalev and Souray (maybe Huselius if Gauthier’s feeling frisky).

That’s it, that’s all. Low risk, low reward transactions as per usual.

-Peace
Johnny Bertolo
@JohnnyBertolo

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